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Joe Wilson from South Carolina, is just another good old boy where in the morning these married men preach to you that there should be prayer in our schools and in the evening they are on their cell phones setting up a date with their other women on the side, hypocrisy has been bred in. I am not surprised that he felt compel to yell like he was at some Friday night game. He is a hater not a debater like most of his side of the isle.

Baby Power Dyke

It's good to see that others were upset enough to cause his site to crash and donate money to his opponent. That's some change to believe in.


On the other hand, Obama's race is very convenient for Democrats. No one can criticize his policies without being suspected/accused of racism. (I'm not suggesting that Joe Wilson's incivility was legitimate criticism. I doubt it was a spontaneous outburst either. More likely it was a bid to be on the 2012 ticket.) That's THE big theme on MSNBC today (as much a propaganda organ of the L as Fox is of the R). That so sucks -- it's one of the tactics that makes people feel like something's being put over on them by trickery, thus aggravating the paranoia.


A lot of conservs on Twitter, and NOT crazies, are saying Wilson shouldn't have apologized (in their wishful fantasies at least), because they believe the president WAS "lying" (illegal immigrants WILL be covered de facto because there's no test) and somebody had to say it. These people are in a sincere (if well-fanned) panic about "statism," and I think THAT has zero to do with Obama's race.


First of all, saying that Obama's race is convenient for Democrats takes nothing away from the very real peril of racism, and the very real possibility that it may be playing a role in the way Obama is confronted, and the way he was confronted last night.

Furthermore, all leadership, in all eras, in all countries throughout time, have sought to take advantage of the convenient. That this is no different doesn't make it less real or any less ominous. To merely view it cynically is to deny that racism occludes sensible judgment of Obama -- judgment that could help mount a more effective opposition, that could lead to better legislation, and that could do less damage to the perception and the effectiveness of leadership in Washington. Racism is a flame that can be fanned. Last night, I felt the heat. Like a fever, it was a heat that chilled.

My concern was not aroused by any talking head on any network with an ulterior motive or an agenda; it arose as I watched the event unfold in real time, unadorned by commentary. Not only that, in what little commentary I watched afterwards (a bunch of talking heads on CNN, followed by Larry King's interview of John McCain), the issue of race was never brought up.

Second, the non-crazy conservatives to whom you refer believe the president was lying; I believe they are wrong. There are reasonable interpretations on both sides, pointing to the fact that weaknesses in the legislation could allow illegal immigrants to be insured. Most of the CNN panelists I saw, and stuff I've read today, said they felt that could and likely would be addressed in upcoming negotiations. So saying that Obama was lying is far from incontrovertible fact. But whether or not Obama was lying does not make what Wilson did OK, any more than yelling invective at Bush, Bush II or Reagan at a similar (or any) occasion would have been OK.

If "somebody had to say it," that somebody could have done much more good for their cause by saying so in a more intelligent way at a more propitious time. I don't mind that somebody had to say it; I strenuously disagree that that was the forum and the moment in which to do so, and there seem to be many -- including about $300,000 worth of South Carolina Democrats, and virtually every leader on both sides of the aisle in both the House and Senate -- who agree with me.

Lisa Stone

I still can't believe that he did that.

Seth Chalmer

The best book I have read in years -- and one of the best books I have read in my life -- is "Civility" by Professor Stephen L. Carter. Reading this post, I think you'd like it too.

Peter Hoh

re. the House of Commons comparison: Andrew Sullivan pointed out today that "one thing you are not allowed to shout in the Commons is that another speaker is a liar."


I share your sentiments -- the sense that we are coming apart at the seams, or may be. Speaking of seams, I've given up going to professional sporting events. I don't want to spend all that money only to have my senses assaulted, by the auxiliary so-called entertainment and by the fans.


Activate race card. Milk it, Milk it, Milk it.


I agree with all of your comments about Joe Wilson but my blood boils even more at the story of those women behind you at the baseball game. I am horrified that the woman you spoke to didn't immediately apologize profusely. I'm suddenly seeing the value of appropriate embarrassment and shame.


i don't know if Wilson is a two-timing hypocrite that can't speak w/civility- nor do i know if i wouldn't feel as you if a Dem said such a thing to a 'Pub President.

I echo Lisa in that i can't believe he said such a thing out loud. It was wrong and i am thankful he had sense to call the President and apoligize-- and i think the Dems arm-twisting in trying to get him to apologize again on the floor was grandstanding and intent on humiliation.

i feel sad and i have to say-- i am guilty of saying the same.damned.thing to Obama's face when he claimed that no taxpayer $$$$ would fund any abortion in his Healthcare Program. I said to the screen: ~what a liar~.

I assure it was his words and tone, not his skin. Not being from any great shakes of population and not being socialized in the finer art of culture, i tend to take folks as individuals and human- not groups of people or skin.

Yet, i'm sure i'll be called the liar on that.

It saddens me. Talk about creative Destruction. I guess we are living it. It's a grey day here. Sorry.


I don't like that he called the President a liar. I don't like the lies told by our President.

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